Comments on: next year’s trip ii http://holdthisspace.org.au/next-years-trip-ii/ an alternative worship project Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:00:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Sarah Agnew http://holdthisspace.org.au/next-years-trip-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-83176 Sarah Agnew Mon, 29 Sep 2008 04:10:37 +0000 http://alternative.victas.uca.org.au/?p=976#comment-83176 I've had conversations with people around artists and spirituality, and the disenfranchisement of artists by the church - probably precisely because of what you speculate on, the confrontation of the uncertainty of the artistic process. why do Christians have so little courage when it comes to surrendering to the creativity of the Spirit? how can 'christians' (or whatever we want to call ourselves - responding to another post of yours) let go of control as Kel suggests we should be able to do, and be present with artists (poets, musicians, painters, etc.) in partnerships of discovery of the creative and surprising Spirit stirring our souls??? I'm going to write a play and invite artists to join me in what might only be a temporary intentional community involved in offering this story to the wider community, but to be in the artistic community, the 'church' - or not, perhaps just fellow explorers of Spirit through art? - either way, being with artists, for no other purpose than relationship and discovery of the Sacred (as opposed to converting everyone and bringing them into church...). sorry, that got a little rambly - thinking as I write ... I’ve had conversations with people around artists and spirituality, and the disenfranchisement of artists by the church – probably precisely because of what you speculate on, the confrontation of the uncertainty of the artistic process. why do Christians have so little courage when it comes to surrendering to the creativity of the Spirit? how can ‘christians’ (or whatever we want to call ourselves – responding to another post of yours) let go of control as Kel suggests we should be able to do, and be present with artists (poets, musicians, painters, etc.) in partnerships of discovery of the creative and surprising Spirit stirring our souls???
I’m going to write a play and invite artists to join me in what might only be a temporary intentional community involved in offering this story to the wider community, but to be in the artistic community, the ‘church’ – or not, perhaps just fellow explorers of Spirit through art? – either way, being with artists, for no other purpose than relationship and discovery of the Sacred (as opposed to converting everyone and bringing them into church…).
sorry, that got a little rambly – thinking as I write …

]]> By: steve http://holdthisspace.org.au/next-years-trip-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-83171 steve Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:41:41 +0000 http://alternative.victas.uca.org.au/?p=976#comment-83171 "mostly interviews with artists and authors. so many of them talk about not knowing when they begin how something they create will end. the shape is uncovered in its making. " -- sounds like my sermon writing process. and yep you are right, plenty of folk tell me my sermons ain't straight Christian :) steve “mostly interviews with artists and authors. so many of them talk about not knowing when they begin how something they create will end. the shape is uncovered in its making. ” — sounds like my sermon writing process.

and yep you are right, plenty of folk tell me my sermons ain’t straight Christian :)

steve

]]> By: Kel http://holdthisspace.org.au/next-years-trip-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-83167 Kel Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:57:21 +0000 http://alternative.victas.uca.org.au/?p=976#comment-83167 { { { r-e-s-o-n-a-t-e } } } i think you hit the nail on the head with the comment, "we lose control of meaning with art, where we had control of meaning with words" christians are trained to believe they have to be in control and that they have the right to control others by claiming to have the only truth when really, christians, of anyone should be the best practitioners of letting go [of control] and letting God work in mysterious ways now wouldn't that be good for the church :p { { { r-e-s-o-n-a-t-e } } }

i think you hit the nail on the head with the comment, “we lose control of meaning with art, where we had control of meaning with words”

christians are trained to believe they have to be in control
and that they have the right to control others
by claiming to have the only truth

when really, christians, of anyone
should be the best practitioners of letting go [of control] and letting God work in mysterious ways

now wouldn’t that be good for the church :p

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